"I think we're going to live with the pandemic for much of 2021, but I don't think it's a binary thing where we have a pandemic and everything's awful, or the pandemic's gone and everything is great again." Noubar Afeyan, co-founder of the COVID-19 vaccine manufacturer Moderna, levels with Ian Bremmer that even with a vaccine the pandemic will not be gone in a matter of day, weeks, or even months. But that doesn't mean that everything will be as bleak as it may feel now. Their conversation was part of the latest episode of GZERO World.

Watch the GZERO World episode: A Shot in the Arm: Moderna's Co-Founder on the COVID-19 Vaccine